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9 years 4 months ago #207 by Peter Finke
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With this newly cre­ated cat­e­gory “Amer­i­can: meth­ods” we can take up Jacob’s very thor­ough going thread how to estab­lish and man­age a tank for black­wa­ter fish like licorice or choco­late gouramis under the cir­cum­stances of the Amer­i­can aquar­is­tic scene and mar­ket con­di­tions. What is your prac­tice or what would you sug­gest to pre­fer against other alter­na­tives?
If I have under­stood him rightly, then Jacob wants to take a black­wa­ter aquar­ium as a spe­cial eco­log­i­cal sys­tem with abi­otic sub­stances, plants and ani­mals, that should be held sta­ble by the use of con­ve­ni­ant prod­ucts of the aquar­ium indus­try (as spe­cial flu­ids or mod­ern fil­tra­tion and other tech­ni­cal meth­ods). Whereas we in Europe tend to reduce the tech­ni­cal devices to a min­i­mum.
Right?

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9 years 4 months ago #208 by Jacob
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I think I was look­ing at it that way, a really con­ser­v­a­tive approach, because I thought that it might leave no room for fail­ure. I don’t really have the expe­ri­ence with black­wa­ter tanks to really say I even have an approach I believe in, or know of an approach that works.
I thought the “Euro­pean” method was the tech­in­cal approach, appar­ently that’s not the case. I think I just wanted to remove the doubt and con­fu­sion that I had about how to suc­ceed with black­wa­ter tanks and fish.
I would pre­fer that it be a sim­pler, less demand­ing kind of tank, but when I started post­ing it was with the idea that the tank would fail no mat­ter what unless I removed all doubt about how to succeed.

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9 years 4 months ago #209 by Jacob
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I would edit what I said a lit­tle, I think I got the impres­sion that these tanks are very pos­si­ble and was con­vinced they are not kept more in Amer­ica because the fish haven’t been seen enough by peo­ple in stores. But this doesn’t mean I actu­ally felt con­fi­dent about what to do to keep them alive using only my own ideas. Just that they aren’t impos­si­ble, but maybe they seem like it because they have no place in most Amer­i­can fish stores at the moment.

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9 years 4 months ago #210 by Jacob
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The thread being ended was smart, it needed to die a nat­ural death. I think it was get­ting too gen­eral, and my ques­tions are mostly answered, though I have to put them into prac­tice so we’ll see.
I think I’ve talked out the issues I was con­fused about and will leave it to Amer­i­cans who keep these fish to rep­re­sent what­ever the Amer­i­can meth­ods are!

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9 years 4 months ago #211 by Jacob
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It seems that the abi­otic approach is par­tially cor­rect, because I’ve read books that say to heav­ily plant choco­late gourami tanks, and that “nat­ural” approach is not actu­ally pos­si­ble if it is a true black­wa­ter tank. (Many sources don’t really rec­om­mend a true black­wa­ter tank, just a some­what soft and acid tank but not truly in the range of black­wa­ter con­di­tions.) The fact that the fish eat so lit­tle and the tanks are pretty under­crowded is some­thing I thought was a more ster­ile approach, but actu­ally doesn’t pre­clude some plant­ing and a low tech approach. There are appar­ently a few key points to remem­ber, which seemed very impos­si­ble to untan­gle when I was not aware of them. This con­nects with an over all frus­tra­tion with not really know­ing the biol­ogy and chem­istry of an aquar­ium, of course they will func­tion with­out that knowl­edge but it is unnerv­ing to mess with ani­mals when you aren’t really sure what is actu­ally hap­pen­ing and why. Fresh­wa­ter fish seem fine in very sim­ple tanks, but with black­wa­ter fish I ran into an appar­ently much more com­pli­cated set of prob­lems with their aquar­ium requirements.

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9 years 4 months ago #213 by Jacob
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Some­thing more related to the last thread, would a pair of vail­lanti gouramis work in a 25 gal­lon or slightly less sized aquar­ium? (It’s a Red Sea Max 130 which is 34 gal­lons but that includes a small sump that I don’t use.)
Sphaerichthys seem to be more of a school­ing fish and also aggre­sive, which might mean one pair would be shy or aggre­sive. But it’s a more col­or­ful fish that would prob­a­bly attract more atten­tion in a store if I bred them.
Maybe it would work fine to have a pair by itself in that sized tank.

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